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what's the case that the nra is making right now? >> well, look, you know, wane la pierre is the chief executive officer. he is the public face of the national rifle association. going on nbc's "meet the press" this morning, he made the point again and again that he made back on friday at that press conference. that his organization will oppose legislation at adding new restrictions to the sale of weapons or the sale of those high capacity ammunition magazines, and he had a lot to say again about who he thinks is to blame. have a listen. >> look, i know there's a media machine in this country that wants to blame guns every time something happens. i know there's an anti-second amendment industry in this town. i know there are political -- for 20 years they always try to say it's because americans own guns. i'm telling you what i think will make people safe. what every mom and dad will make them feel better when they drop their kid off at school in january is if we have a police officer in that school, a good guy, that if some horrible
what's the case that the nra is making right now? >> well, look, you know, wane la pierre is the chief executive officer. he is the public face of the national rifle association. going on nbc's "meet the press" this morning, he made the point again and again that he made back on friday at that press conference. that his organization will oppose legislation at adding new restrictions to the sale of weapons or the sale of those high capacity ammunition magazines, and he had a lot...
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the nra ceo went on tv today. those that oppose the nra respearen't backing down either. >> newtown. >> newtown. >> newtown. >> newtown. >> how many more? >> reporter: performers and artists now joining with 800 mayors calling for a plan to end gun violence. but wayne lapierre, the chief executive officer and public face of the national rifle association, made clear on nbc's "meet the press" that his organization will oppose legislation adding new restrictions to the sale of weapons or high-capacity ammunition magazines. >> look, i know there's a media machine in this country that wants to blame guns every time something happens. i know there's an anti-second amendment industry in this town. i know there's political leads that for 20 years always try to say it is because americans own guns. i'm telling you what i think will make people safe. and what every mom and dad will make them better, if when they drop their kid off at school in january is if we have a police officer in that school, a good guy. >> reporter:
the nra ceo went on tv today. those that oppose the nra respearen't backing down either. >> newtown. >> newtown. >> newtown. >> newtown. >> how many more? >> reporter: performers and artists now joining with 800 mayors calling for a plan to end gun violence. but wayne lapierre, the chief executive officer and public face of the national rifle association, made clear on nbc's "meet the press" that his organization will oppose legislation adding new...
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the nra, of course, disagrees. miguel? >> you know your way around the corridors of power in washington. did the nra, wayne lapierre hurt himself in friday by what can only be described as this rant? >> well, look, emotions across the country are running so high, aren't they, on this? many people i think would believe this is the 9/11 moment of the gun control issue, after this terrible, terrible massacre in newtown. so, the question is exactly as you frame it, the political oomph, if you will, behind each side. after all of this, will the nra be -- have enough political muscle power on capitol hill to push back successfully against any new legislation that might be coming or will they have damaged themselves? what is the calculation? will those who favor reinstating the assault of the -- the ban on assault weapons or other new gun control legislation, including those high-powered magazines, those -- those magazines that can carry tense and tense and tens of rounds, will they have the political oomph this time to enact new
the nra, of course, disagrees. miguel? >> you know your way around the corridors of power in washington. did the nra, wayne lapierre hurt himself in friday by what can only be described as this rant? >> well, look, emotions across the country are running so high, aren't they, on this? many people i think would believe this is the 9/11 moment of the gun control issue, after this terrible, terrible massacre in newtown. so, the question is exactly as you frame it, the political oomph,...
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la pierre may, may have damaged the nra's case. by virtue of how that friday press conference went over. miguel? >> barbara starr, thank you very much in washington. >>> and now, to the fiscal cliff. and we are just about to go over the edge. congress has left for the holidays. if they don't get a deal done soon, tax increases and budget cuts will hit after the first of the year. earlier, republican congressman, steve la tourette said the president has been too focused on tax cuts for the rich. but he did leave the door open a little. >> i'm okay, you president, you can tax the rich people. but come up with some spending cuts, we're borrowing $1 trillion a year and he has not. >> indiana senator joe lieberman said he's more pessimistic than he's ever been that a deal will get done. >> in the aftermath of the house republicans rejecting speaker boehner's so-called plan b, the first time that i feel that it's more likely that we will go over the cliff than not. and that, if we allow that to happen, it will be the most colossal conseq
la pierre may, may have damaged the nra's case. by virtue of how that friday press conference went over. miguel? >> barbara starr, thank you very much in washington. >>> and now, to the fiscal cliff. and we are just about to go over the edge. congress has left for the holidays. if they don't get a deal done soon, tax increases and budget cuts will hit after the first of the year. earlier, republican congressman, steve la tourette said the president has been too focused on tax...
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. >> the nra wants to see existing gun laws enforced and in the aftermath of the newtown massacre. wants armed guards in schools. >>> in
. >> the nra wants to see existing gun laws enforced and in the aftermath of the newtown massacre. wants armed guards in schools. >>> in
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>> well, i'm not going to speak for the nra on that issue. >> don't you speak for the nra? i'm just a little confused. you don't work for the nra? they don't pay you? >> i'm an independent consultant for the nra designed to focus on school safety. that is my mission. now, what i will say in terms of further gun control legislation is that that is the wrong part of the debate. i think the focus should be on school safety. you can have bans on assault weapons or whatever weapons you wish, and it's not going to protect from a violent person. it's going to take someone who has security in the school. timothy mcveigh used fertilizer as his weapon. so let's not focus on the weapon as much as our response capability and safety of the children. that's simply my responsibility, and that's what i'm going to do and we're going to take the best experts in across the country to give these options to the schools. >> without speaking for the nra, do you personally think that there is any place for further restrictions on guns, particularly these high capacity guns? >> that's a debate that
>> well, i'm not going to speak for the nra on that issue. >> don't you speak for the nra? i'm just a little confused. you don't work for the nra? they don't pay you? >> i'm an independent consultant for the nra designed to focus on school safety. that is my mission. now, what i will say in terms of further gun control legislation is that that is the wrong part of the debate. i think the focus should be on school safety. you can have bans on assault weapons or whatever weapons...
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and tom foreman who attended friday's nra event. tom, what was it like being at this nra event? i won't call it a press conference. are you surprised that not a single journalist got to ask a question? >> it was not a press conference. all of us expected to exchange questions and answers with wayne lapierre and the president of nra who was there. it didn't happen at all. it did not happen but adamantly did not happen. several of us tried to call out questions to the participants and even at one point i said to them, would you answer even one question? are you willing to talk to the white house about any of this, even to that, they just kept walking. that was a big disappointment and sort of set the tone for the room. >> when wayne lapierre said falsehoods about semiautomatic weapons and the media are demonizing gun owners, is he right? >> no. but even before that what he got was a priceless gift of 25 minutes of free media from those news organizations that elected to carry it live. and i bet they were rather disappointed when they learned, as you just said, tom, that there woul
and tom foreman who attended friday's nra event. tom, what was it like being at this nra event? i won't call it a press conference. are you surprised that not a single journalist got to ask a question? >> it was not a press conference. all of us expected to exchange questions and answers with wayne lapierre and the president of nra who was there. it didn't happen at all. it did not happen but adamantly did not happen. several of us tried to call out questions to the participants and even...
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what's the reaction to the nra's proposal at the capitol there? >> not just the capitol, but i think pretty much nationwide a lot of people looked at it and said, whoa. you know, more guns is not the solution to this. now, mind you, what the nra is proposing and what it's trying to put into place is a program that is, you know, voluntary. they wouldn't force schools to do anything. the nr a said it could voluntees and et cetera, et cetera. the idea that gun control was not spoken of in the nra's first reaction, i think, struck some people as wrong. so there definitely was a lot of blow-back about it. what's the nra trying to do? it's trying to change the conversation. they think the debate should be about safe schools as opposed to guns, and obviously they're the gun lobby so you can understand that. that's what they were doing, and i mean, they got a lot of fierce pushback by some of the folks on capitol hill and some in the country. >> certainly a lot of response from lawmakers. any indication that any of them will get on board with the nra's pr
what's the reaction to the nra's proposal at the capitol there? >> not just the capitol, but i think pretty much nationwide a lot of people looked at it and said, whoa. you know, more guns is not the solution to this. now, mind you, what the nra is proposing and what it's trying to put into place is a program that is, you know, voluntary. they wouldn't force schools to do anything. the nr a said it could voluntees and et cetera, et cetera. the idea that gun control was not spoken of in...
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the mayor says he made the decision before the nra made the suggestion on friday. they actually had armed guards in some of the schools already. new jersey governor chris christie on the other hand thinks armed guards in schools aren't the answer to gun violence and that problem. >>> to washington now and the negotiations over the fiscal cliff. actually, there really aren't any negotiations now. the president is in hawaii. we're in a bit of a holding pattern as both sides dig in their heels. the middle class and small businesses were the focus during the presidential campaign. but, now, they stand to be the biggest losers as the battle in washington pushes us closer to that cliff. cnn's emily schmidt has more. >> go on. >> reporter: there are people who make overcoming obstacles even those towering 40 vertical feet high look easy. these rock climbers the heart of the climbing center business. >> i think with climbing, you have to trust your partner and you have to know that they're holding your rope. >> reporter: this takes team work which is why she's frustrated o
the mayor says he made the decision before the nra made the suggestion on friday. they actually had armed guards in some of the schools already. new jersey governor chris christie on the other hand thinks armed guards in schools aren't the answer to gun violence and that problem. >>> to washington now and the negotiations over the fiscal cliff. actually, there really aren't any negotiations now. the president is in hawaii. we're in a bit of a holding pattern as both sides dig in their...
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it's a little half past the hour now. >>> the nra says the best way to prevent school shootings is to put an armed guard in every u.s. school and one new jersey town is heeding that advice. it's happening already in marlboro, new jersey, which is a little south of new york city. the mayor told our affiliate that the school was planning on implementing the idea before the nra spoke out on friday. some schools there already had armed guards, but new jersey's governor chris christie does not agree with that idea. >> i'm not someone who believes that having multiple armed guards in every school is something that will enhance the learning environment. that's our first responsibility inside a school is the learning environment. you don't want to make this an armed camp for kids. i don't think that's a positive example for children. we should be able to figure out how to enhance safety. >> the mayor of marlboro sports control but armed guards will give a sense of comfort. >>> people packed a church to mourn the victims of friday's shooting rampage. more than 250 people were at a vigil last n
it's a little half past the hour now. >>> the nra says the best way to prevent school shootings is to put an armed guard in every u.s. school and one new jersey town is heeding that advice. it's happening already in marlboro, new jersey, which is a little south of new york city. the mayor told our affiliate that the school was planning on implementing the idea before the nra spoke out on friday. some schools there already had armed guards, but new jersey's governor chris christie does...
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the responsibility serve inner with the nra. never with gun owners, never the laws. always with video games and other things outside of that when people are not being killed they're watching a video game. they're being killed because they have access to a gun. >> it's upon nerve this country whether a firearms owner or not to work together to identify people who shouldn't have firearms. we've got, as i mentioned, 155 million people in homes that have at least one firearm. >> i agree with you. listen -- >> we're talking about -- >> we should be working with people, identifying people. >> we've got to. >> who should not have access to guns but can do that and not look at gun laws and gun enthusiasts and people who are, the nra members can't just say, we have to look at this and not look at that. >> okay. let's say for example that the a.r. 15 platform is banned. okay? it's banned. the next mentally disturbed individual who goes into an environment where it's a so-called gun-free zone, he can go in there, he or she, with a pistol,
the responsibility serve inner with the nra. never with gun owners, never the laws. always with video games and other things outside of that when people are not being killed they're watching a video game. they're being killed because they have access to a gun. >> it's upon nerve this country whether a firearms owner or not to work together to identify people who shouldn't have firearms. we've got, as i mentioned, 155 million people in homes that have at least one firearm. >> i agree...
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, the responsibility serve inner with the nra. never with gun owners, never the laws. always with video games and other things outside of that when people are not being kill bawd they're watching a video game. they're being killed because they have access to a gun. >> it's upon nerve this country whether a firearms owner or not to work together to identify people who shouldn't have firearms. we've got, as i mentioned, 155 million people in homes that have at least one firearm. >> i agree with you. listen -- >> we're talking about -- >> we should be working with people, identifying people. >> we've got to. >> who should not have access to guns but can do that and not look at gun laws and gun enthusiasts and peemd who are, the nra members can't just say, we have to look at this and not look at that. >> okay. let's say for example that the a.r. 15 platform is banned. okay? it's banned. the next mentally disturbed individual who goes into an environment where it's a so-called gun-free zone, he can go in there, he or she, with a pistol
, the responsibility serve inner with the nra. never with gun owners, never the laws. always with video games and other things outside of that when people are not being kill bawd they're watching a video game. they're being killed because they have access to a gun. >> it's upon nerve this country whether a firearms owner or not to work together to identify people who shouldn't have firearms. we've got, as i mentioned, 155 million people in homes that have at least one firearm. >> i...
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i'm not happy with the nra, i'm not happy with the nra and i'm a gun owner myself. there's just no reason for automatic weapons out in the public and clips that discharge so many rounds of ammunition. >> i have many guns, but i do not have a 30 round clip and a semiautomatic weapon. we have a tragedy here and we have to address it. they are not addressing it. that is what i tell them. you are not addressing the situation here. >>. >> reporter: at a shooting range in california, others supported the nra. >> the only way to fight fire is with fire. so, if you have somebody that is armed and you are not, you are part of the problem, you are not part of the solution. >> i think it's a good idea. but you are going to have to train these people on how to use weapons. because once you start shooting inside of a classroom, someone will get hurt. the thing is not to let the intruder go into the classroom. >> reporter: how many armed guards to you need? every room, every door? the nra did not take questions after making the statement. don? >> thank you very much. lots more to
i'm not happy with the nra, i'm not happy with the nra and i'm a gun owner myself. there's just no reason for automatic weapons out in the public and clips that discharge so many rounds of ammunition. >> i have many guns, but i do not have a 30 round clip and a semiautomatic weapon. we have a tragedy here and we have to address it. they are not addressing it. that is what i tell them. you are not addressing the situation here. >>. >> reporter: at a shooting range in...